People have been debating which is better, Twilight or Harry Potter, for as long as both series have existed. Now we’re going to get an actual answer.
Later this month, the Seattle Public Library will host a debate put on by a local after-school reading program. The Great Debate: Harry Potter vs. Twilight will include two panels of three teenagers each who will debate the merits of each series. At the end, a panel of judges will declare, based on the arguments offered by the two sides, which series is the better.
Okay, so it’s not exactly the Lincoln-Douglas debates. But it’s still pretty cool.
The event, which is a fundraiser for the afterschool program Team Read, is the work of the organization’s program director Bill Eisele.
“We talked to high school students about what gets them excited about reading,” Eisele says. “They kept bringing up Harry Potter and Twilight. They got really excited about both these series.”
But Eisele says this will be no mere polite exchanging of opinions.
“The students really want to go at it, get down and dirty,” he says. “They have very strong opinions about which series is the better one. They want a verbal smackdown with a winner.”
The event will include a Harry Potter/Twilight trivia contest open to all, but the debate itself will be conducted by two teen panels being selected now, both of which will have prepared beforehand.
The event takes place on Saturday, March 21, at Seattle’s Central (downtown) Library in the Microsoft Auditorium, 4-5:30pm.
And rest assured, TheTorchOnline.com will be there to tape it all and post it here!
For more information on the debate, go to TeamRead.org or contact the Seattle library’s teen center, at (206) 615-1410 or teencenter@spl.org.
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What can I say that already hasn’t been mentioned? Well how about this one: Harry Potter doesn’t split up its fanbase. Team Edward/Jacob? Seriously? JKR unites her fans making it a stronger and more over-powering series. JKR has talent, apparently SMeyers doesn’t know the meaning of it. Fyi Talent means: a capacity for achievement or success; ability. SMeyers you need to go find some talent and maybe a good editor.
Reason 2: Sparkly Vampires and Telepathic Werewolves? Not that appealing.
Reason 3: My kitten is more ferocious than your precious Wolves.
Reason 4: SMeyers go read an Anne Rice novel. Maybe you can learn a thing or two about Vampires.
Reason 5: Harry Potter was an idea that JKR got whilest waiting for a train. Twilight? Well That idea came from a disturbing dream that SMeyers had.
Well I guess Slytherin_Forever pretty much summed it up. I just thought I would like to add my two-sense.
HARRY POTTER FOREVER!! Oh and Happy Belated Birthday to Harry and JKR.
The biggest thing that pops into my head when i think about why Harry Potter is 10 times better than Twilight is this: Long before Stephenie Meyer wrote the Twilight Series, stories had already been told of girls falling in love with vampires, forbidden love, etc. etc. But JK Rowling took something that nobody had ever thought of before and made it into an epic series from her own thoughts and imagination. LONG LIVE HARRY POTTER, THE BOY WHO LIVED!!!
I agree. J.K. Rowling woke the world up to a new level of imagination! Twilight is just a modern version of Romeo and Julliet except that it’s… bad.
Harry Potter all the way!
Let me sum up all the Twilight books:
Twilight: Bella meets Edward and they become an item.
New Moon: Edward leaves Bella. Bella goes off with Jacob.
Eclipse: Bella leaves Jacob for Edward.
Breaking Dawn: Bella and Edward have a child.
THAT’S ALL!!! J.K. Rowling could have taken that plot, make it better and put it all into 2 books! Meyer only wrote 4 books because she wanted to be a popular author. So she took a plot (which had potential for 1 book) and put it into a series. She’s basically writing the same thing in every chapter. ‘Edward looked amazing today’. ‘Edward looked totally hot today’. Bla Bla Bla!!!
5 reasons why Harry Potter is BETTER:
1) Females: Bella is a girl who sees Edward and goes into this whole idea that she can’t live without him! She just does nothing when he’s around. At home, she just cooks and cleans!! Hermione, however, can look after herself. She can fight for herself and she’s clever! In the 7th Harry Potter, when Ron leaves, she cries but she GETS OVER IT! If she hadn’t Harry would have probably died!
2) Deaths: J.K isn’t afraid to let main characters die. And she does it for a reason! In Meyer’s books no one dies! Ok, a book doesn’t depend on deaths, but there’s so many fights. Someone should at least be gravely injured!
3) Groups: In Twilight there’s the cool vampire family and everyone else. There’s no description or implication about any other groups. In Harry Potter, there are Gryffindors, Hufflepuffs, Ravenclaws, Slytherins, Death Eaters-to-be, study-holics, Dumbledore’s Army, Inquisitorial Squad, Quidditch players, bullies, pranksters etc…
4) Friendship: In Twilight Bella adopts a group of friends very quickly, but when Edward invites her to sit with them, she leaves first chance she gets and abandons her friends! In Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Romilda Vane invites Harry to sit with he and her friends in their compartment on the train. ‘You don’t have to sit with them.’ But Harry says that Luna and Neville are his friends and he stays with them.
5) Love: In Harry Potter Molly Weasley loves Harry like a son. When Bellatrix Lestrange tries to kill Ginny, Molly single-handedly takes her down! In Twilight, Bella only loves Edward because he’s good-looking! And Edward only likes Bella because of her blood.
So those are 5 of my 100 reasons why Harry Potter is WAY better than Twilight.
Plus, Harry Potter leaves you with the answers to the questions you had throughout the series. Twilight just gives you loads of questions!
i agree with all the HP points that have been said against Twilights. I mean, the 270+ reasons were epic!
Especially the meanings behind the names in HP.
In HP you find out that there is a subject called ‘Arithmancy’, Hermione’s favourite subject, where it takes numbers and letters into a different view. I’m not sure if JKR had noticed this herself, or just by luck found out that the names of characters match the characters personality, but it is pretty cool.
I would try and explain it but there isn’t much point when the website is there to follow;
http://www.beyondhogwarts.com/harry-potter/articles/an-introduction-to-arithmancy.html
Judging by the way the Twilight fans type, and reason, they don’t appear to be the brightest bunch.
Twilight fan: OMG UR STUPID CUZ TWILIGHT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN HP CUZ EDWARD IS HOT!!!!!OMG TWILIGHT!!!!!HP IS POOP!!
How can you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously when you type like that? Using all capitols and talking in text chat (outside talking to your friends, using text chat just makes you look like an idiot) And even when Twilight supporters are talking normally, and trying to give actual reasons why they think Twilight is better, the “reasons” they come up with are so pathetic, it’s laughable.
1. “Twilight is deeper.” To me two people in love based on appearance isn’t love, it’s lust. Bella is shallow, and Edward is abusive. In Harry Potter, Harry’s mother sacrifices herself to save him, and her sacrifice creates a force that destroys the evil threatening him. Throughout the series, loyalty, friendship, and bravery are major themes, as well as standing up for what you believe in, and sticking up for your friends. The relationships, are also better, because unlike Twilight the characters are attracted to each other based on something more than appearance. Their relationships make sense. The main theme of the series is that love and friendship can outlast time, and are stronger than evil. All that in my opinion is a lot deeper than some stupid girl who abandons her family and friends for some guy who treats her badly, just because he is “so beautiful.”
2. “There is no love in HP.” Again, the main theme is love. Harry can love, Voldemort cannot. This ultimately allows Harry to succeed over Voldemort. And like I said before, the relationships are based on love, not teenage lust.
3. “The characters in Twilight are more attractive.” I’m not even going to touch this one. If you think one series is better than the other because the characters are more attractive, than you are extremely shallow, not to mention dumb.
In the words of Stephen King: “JK Rowling is a terrific author, and Stephanie Meyer can’t write worth a darn, she’s not very good..”
I agree with all the HP supporters and especially Slytherin forever, and his 276 reasons. (hysterical)
Twilight supporters, either get some valid arguments, and learn how to talk properly, or go away. Harry Potter has won this argument. Everywhere this question is asked, Harry Potter always wins. Harry Potter is better than Twilight. Deal with it.
JKR isnt afraid to kill people off! SM on the other hand might have a drug over dose and die if she didnt save them from death(even though everyone new they were never going to die!
ok so harry potter beats twilight 2000% SM cant wright for her life! the books are sapy adn the drone on & on & on & on & on! JK Rowiling can write and shes good twilight has no plot what so ever everyones like retared and on pot! Harry Potter is just AMAZING!!!
Okay now lets get this straight !
Twilight can’t be compared with Harry Potter ! It just can’t. I don’t really understand why do you even bother to do that ?! Because Harry Potter was,is and always will be a legend.Twilight is just another vampire story that will fade away for a couple of years.Harry Potter didn’t fade away when he showed up.Everybody knows for Harry Potter and it is known for like more than 10 years and it will never be boring ! Everybody is so excited for The Deathly Hallows movie,My 4 year old sister Heather screams when she sees the trailer ! xD and im not much better lol.
And all of you that say Harry Potter fans are ’stupid’.I wouldn’t say so because we actually read something that HAS a plot and a message to give,while on the other hand Twilight does not have.The only message that Twilight have is ‘I Love him and i hope he loves me back,bla bla bla’ :S Twilight makes me sick,and i’ve read the bocks and they are just Uhm how should i say this ?! BORING -.-
i love all the hp fans on here :) especially Slytherin_forever! i loved your 275 reasons and yeah harry potter will live forever.the series is so great that i read every book on the series 5 times
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYBYB9s8kqA
What makes me laugh about Twilight is it fobs itself off as a vampire movie, but it’s just a love story with vampires in it. It takes the rip out of real vampire stories and movies- if there wasn’t a love story then this wouldn’t be successful, so I will give Miss.Meyer credit for something.
Rowling actually thought about her books and has many subplots, the only plot in Twilight is between Bella and Edward- which I hear that they end up together in the end … surely do something unexpected and make them not end up together! I just don’t get Twilight, it’s mainly little girls who like the movie. Ask anyone who genuinely likes vampire stories and is interested in them- the majority would say that Twilight is inaccurate in places and just a joke.
Harry Potter is in a league of its own!! They leave gaps in between the movie release dates and Twilight is churning one out every year (at least it will be over soon!), what’s the point?! There’s no time put into it, but as someone pointed out to me it’s probably because if they left it a while then people will loose interest quicker. Amen.
It took JK Rowling 14 YEARS to write the series! That is what a real writter looks like! Smeyer probably wrote Twilight while taking a crap on her toilet after getting drunk =]
Okay here are my 10 reasons why Harry Potter DOMINATES
1. Harry Potter Characters Have Class, they arent stalkers, and they actually have emotions and hobbies unlike Bella. Also they are less slutty then Bella (when edward was gone she made out with Jacob?)
2. Wizards are WAY cooler than Vampires. If you were a wizard, you can magically make things appear using accio, and you could even kill people by saying 2 simple words (AVADA.KEDEVRA.)
3. Voldemort is way cooler. His story is so clever, about how his dad was a muggle and all that awesomeness =] and also, Tom Marvolo Riddle= you scramble the letters and you get I am Lord Voldemort HOW CLEVER IS THAT!?!? =D
4. STEPHEN FRUGGIN KING PEOPLE! “The real difference is that JK Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can’t write worth a darn. She’s not very good.” -Stephen King
5. Twilight Fans suck! They are so competitive and will beat the crap out of you if you dont like Twilight!
6. Stephanie Meyer is a prick. Shes so stupid and has no taste in good romance novels.
7. Its funny how Twilight Fans try to diss Harry POtter, because they cant. There is no way to Diss Harry POtter at all.
8. The structure of the Twilight Books suck too! I read all the books, and it went SO SLOW!!! I mean One chapter was all about Bella being her lazy ass self!! I mean at least Harry POtter is exciting!!
9. The world of Harry POTter is so creative! I mean she came up with a whole WORLD of wizards and other creatures. AND a whole school with houses (gryffindor hufflepuff ravenclaw and slytherin) Smeyer came up with crap.
10. HARRY POTTER THEME PARK!! Twilighters have nothing- we have a frickin theme park =]
TWILIGHT IS CRAP AND SO ARE ALL ITS FANS
Harry Potter is far superior because we loved the books before there was movies. We lined up at midnight to read the books. I don’t remeber any kind craze before the movies. Not to mention even my uncle and my dad enjoy the Harry Potter books, couldn’t get them past the first chapter of Twilight.
Reasons why HP is better than Twilight:
1. Harry isn’t a sparkling, gay, 108 year old virgin that won’t brush his hair Edward Cullen is.
2. We have a theme song
3. The characters in Harry Potter are much more complex, developed, and more artfully described than those of Twilight.
4. Many of the themes of Twilight to be superficial whereas those of HP are deeper, more substantial.
5. The world of Harry Potter is original and whimsical, Twilight’s is more practical, realistic, and therefore boring.
6. HP is, simply put, a well-written and thought out story. Twilight, on the other hand, leaves something to be desired.
7. It has a better story line.
8. It’s not all, I love him I love him I love him He’s soooooo hot I love him I love him He broke my heart but I still love him I’m going to hook up with a werewolf then commit suicide so he’ll come back to me so we can get married right after high school and have a mutant baby
9. It is a longer series. Twilight does not deserve to be called a saga; it is not long enough
10. People didn’t put their own mythical creatures that sparkle in it.
11. We have a parody. A MUSICAL parody. AVPM rocks
12. We have logic and we aren’t afraid to use it
13. Who needs super strength when you have Avada Kedavra?
14. Potter fans generally have extensively accurate grammar and spelling, in conjunction with a more sophisticated vocabulary than twitards.
15. Face it. All of us would rather be a Weasley than a Cullen.
16. Voldemort and his Death Eaters are better villains than James, Victoria, and the Volturi.
17. “Potter beats Sparkle Boy ”
18. People caption lolcats and loldogs with HP references. The only time they caption them with a Twilight reference is to bash it.
19. Harry Potter is a whole new world. . . .twilight is more of the same: vampires vs werewolves.
20. Dementors are insanely more dangerous than vampires.
21. Because of Harry Potter it is considered hot when a guy has a British accent.
22. HP is about courage and standing up to evil. Twilight is about lust for your sparkly boyfriend.
23. HP has much, much more detail.
24. HP created a new genre of music: Wizard Wrock.
25. HP is relatively kid-friendly.
26. We actually have cool, intelligent characters.
27. Harry Potter took longer to write.
28. We have a theme park and we know why you don’t
29. JKR actually invented most of her ideas, instead of re-using ideas of vampires/werewolves, like Meyer.
30. Hermione would own Bella in a fight.
31. Rob Pattinson was in Harry Potter first.
32. People can snog without worrying if they’re going to kill the other person.
33. It’s a real love story; not cliched love.
34. Quidditch Enough said.
35. We don’t have to listen to Bella whining about Edward and Jacob all day long, because seriously, Bella, Harry had it way worse than you. Would you have willingly have given yourself up to save your friends? No, because your over-protective, emo boyfriend wouldn’t have let you.
36. There’s actually an antagonist in Harry Potter.
37. The Harry Potter actors CAN ACTUALLY ACT.
38. Harry Potter actually HAS A PLOT.
39. When someone says, I don’t like Harry Potter, the Harry Potter fans say, Okay, that’s your opinion. But if someone says, I don’t like Twilight, the Twitards are all You’re just jealous You suck It’s amazing You’re stupid Blah, blah, blah…
40. Harry Potter does not contradict itself nearly as much as Twilight does.
41. Harry Potter has depth and is well-developed.
42. JKR actually understands her own characters
43. Twilight is full of grammatical mistakes.
44. Harry Potter is a classic. Twilight is just a fad that will be forgotten in a few years.
45. JKR isn’t an idiot. Meyer on the other hand. . .
46. What is the moral of Twilight? Hmm? Really good message, huh?
47. Special effects. Must I explain?
48. Harry Potter doesn’t say that all kids under the age of 16 are idiots.
49. Harry is a much better protagonist than Bella, who is the most pathetic excuse for a protagonist in the history of forever.
50. Ron + Hermione is better than ANY Twilight love.
51. Rowling understands that good guys can be ugly and bad guys can be pretty.
52. JKR understands that people are good AND bad, it’s the choices you make that count. You aren’t either all good or all bad.
53. Mary-sues and Gary-stus are not EVER meant to be main characters. They are characters with little to no personality and generally only has one personality feature if any. So Bella being a damsel that fawns over some guy and Edward who is stuck on his vanity shiz. Yeah. . . . Good thing he won’t die
54. Over half of twilight is Bella describing the way Edward looks only feeding to his self-obsession. Bella may be in love with Edward but Edward is to good for Edward…
55. A second love interest always make things interesting. . . The thing with Edward and Bella was weird and then she adds in Jacob. . . .
56. Again the characters. They have no problems No flaws, no incapabilities, no problems with themselves… That is a key to the base of character creating.
57. Adding a different adjective to every damn noun does not make it good writing *clears throat* Yes, Stephenie. We are talking to you.
58. The deadly repeating element. *Bella almost dies* Oh noes Oh, wait. . . Edward saved her. . . . . .again.
59. The male characters in Twilight have no realism about them because they all fall for Bella who has no personality and is so plain
60. Meyer’s main character, Edward, depicts the perfect guy as an abusive, controlling, and mysterious self-centered guy. . . .pathetic excuse for a boy if you ask me.
61. Perfect characters + horrible writing techniques = No self conflict = Pointless Story. YAY MATH
62. Witches and Wizards pwn vampires and werewolves in a fight. Hello That one is just plain obvious.
63. Harry potter is an amazing series. It is witty, imaginative, entertaining, thought provoking and beautifully written. A person of any age can read Harry Potter and get completely wrapped up in the story. Mainly, it is the way the story is written, it is an entirely new world, all created and every question answered by Rowling.
64.A lot of girls like Twilight because the characters are “good looking.” Lets take Edward out of the story, or make him ugly. Are you still obsessed over it?
65. Rowling’s world engulfs you, transports you into a completely different universe. She’s created languages, species, and a plethora of spells. So much detail has gone into the creation of this world that it’s hard to not get lost in it. In contrast, the world that Meyer has created in Forks, Washington is just like the city: kind of boring and bland with a lack of diversity. The vampire back story is sloppy and kind of cheesy and the little bit of history we see of the werewolves in Twilight is tired and unimaginative. And that’s all there is. Clearly Twilight is less occupied with giving us a world we can live in than it is in shoving a tedious love story down our throats.
66.One of the hardest things to do is relate to kids. Educators struggle with it constantly. If you attempt to talk to them as if you’re one of them, it can come off as condescending, belittling, and at worst, stupid. This is exactly what Twilight does. It feels like that teacher you had in school who would say things like “dude” and “tubular” and “do you dig it?” This is the hip-hoppin’ grandpa. Harry Potter never talks down to its audience, frequently putting common youthful feelings of loss, sexual awkwardness, and friendship at the forefront of its themes. While Potter is fighting He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (but I shall do it anyway: VOLDEMORT ), he is also dealing with complicated relationships that suffer due to jealousy and lying. Even though Potter deals with things that a boy his age never should and probably never would, he never feels older than he is. On the other hand, Twilight’s characters are stuck as caricatures, merely archetypes with no real voices or unique voices
67. It has REAL VAMPIRES. Not the teenage ones that sparkle in the sun. . . .like fairy dust.
68. Lets compare the settings. Forks vs. Hogwarts. The latter is an old castle filled with magic and beauty. Forks is a boring, rainy town with about 4 sunny days a year. Who wants to live there anyway? ?
69. HP doesn’t repeat its self for 4 books.
70. HP surprises you every time. You can guess what is going to happen next in Twilight.
71. The leading lady (Herimone) isn’t a whinny, dependent, self-absorbed little girl.
72. The HP characters have personalities and real relationships with each other, instead of stupid, hormone driven teenagers that represent sex symbols.
73. HP teaches good morals. While Twilight teaches people it’s ok to be a creeper and give your life away for a high school lover.
74. The characters don’t get married right out of high school and go off to a deserted island that was given to somebody as a gift to have sex and make a mutant baby.
75. Our fanfics and parodies aren’t better than the real thing.
76. He was Cedric first, and he actually had heard of HP before doing the movies. He admitted that he had no clue what Twilight was when he auditioned. . . .I’d bet that he wishes he never did.
77. We don’t run around kissing large dogs because, “It reminded me of Jacob Black ”
78. The Slytherin common room is underwater, and that is flippin’ AWESOME
79. We don’t need super speed; we can just apparate (which, by the way, is MUCH faster. Almost instantaneous).
80. JK is not afraid to sacrifice the good guys.
81. You can relate Harry Potter to WWII. Because of similarities you could learn some history from the books.
82. Reason 81 being said, some characters are loosely based off real life people Dumbledore = Winston Churchill, Voldemort = Hitler, Death Eaters = Nazi’s
83. Harry Potter teaches a good deal about prejudice and slavery with the use of different imaginative creatures (which also required research to create).
84. Twilight WILL fad out. It is a fad and many fans are on it because of the Bandwagon effect and because Robert Patterson is “good looking,” but Harry Potter will be around forever.
85. The female characters are strong and intelligent. Hermione doesn’t NEED a boyfriend to be a strong good role model for girls everywhere.
86. Even Rob Pattinson says he hates Edward Cullen and played him like a manic-depressive.
87. The villains are villains for a reason. They’re not just bad without explanation. J K Rowling explained Voldemort and other Death Eaters and showed why they went bad.
88. It’s not just one genre, like Twilight. It has humor, adventure, action, romance, fantasy, there’s even an adolescent or coming-of-age element. The multiple genres add to the story significantly by being so diverse.
89. Harry Potter is not based off of a dream the author had. It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live. -Albus Dumbledore
90. JKR does not define the perfect man as over-protective, abusive, stalker-like, and over-bearing.
91. The movies = a great cast of awesome, British actors
92. To add to the reading more reason: Many Twilight fans say that they did not read very much before twilight came out. Then, they say, they started reading. However, every thing they read is compared to twilight, even if there are not many similarities.
A twitard said this: wel befor i read twilight i neva red anything befor and its the best book eva so i think i noe wot im talking about. WHAAAT?
93. The characters change with their ages, did you notice that Bella was in school a year or two longer than she was supposed to be?
94. When characters die, they aren’t just side characters or villains. She actually has some good-guys die to make it realistic.
95. Harry Potter has been around for over 10 years, and it still has a huge fan base. Twilight’s been around for 5 or so years, and there are as many haters as there are fans.
96. You can read a Potter book multiple times and find it just as amazing as before. When you read HP you actually feel like you are in the book along with the characters. Not so much for Twilight.
97. I don’t care if Bella ate a Granola Bar for breakfast and I don’t care about reading about how good-looking Edward is for the hundredth time. It just gets boring
98. Two words: Albus Dumbledore Need I say more?
99. I’m getting really tired of the whole Harry Potters too hard to read and understand argument that twitards put up. HP is on a 5-6th grade reading level. If you’re above 5th or 6th grade and you find Harry Potter to be a difficult read, chances are you’re just stupid.
100. Little things turn out to be very important i.e. the locket in OotP the bug in Hermione’s hair, secret keepers, Snape begging Harry to look at him and so much more
101. We watch the movies because we love the characters and because we want to see if the movie is living up to the book. Twitards watch Twilight for the guys. Pathetic.
102. Have you even read some of the stuff on mylifeistwilight.com? Pathetic to the utmost.
103. All potter fans may be nerds, yet not all nerds need be potter fans.
104. NO. ONE. SPARKLES.
105. Appeals to boys AND girls.
106. The Harry Potter series ended in a more realistic way: there were casualties. Fred died; George got his ear cursed off; Dumbledore and Sirius died. Somehow in the Twilight series, Bella ended up with everything she could have wanted and a perfect life.
107. Harry, Ron and Hermione mature as the book progressed. Bella, if possible, became more childish.
108. There are no pedophiles.
109. Harry is not a stalker. He has never watched Ginny in her sleep.
110. Rowling obviously knows how to edit her writing.
111. Bella fears that she will be older than Edward, impossible; Edward is over 100 years old. She will NEVER be older than him. Ever.
112. Vampires can’t apparate.
113. Twilight is extremely sexist and encourages women to submit to the “superiority” of men and prevent them from becoming strong independent figures like Ginny or Hermione or Professor McGonagall.
114. The Cullens have been around for hundreds of years and the ONLY thing they can think of to do all day is go to high school?
115. One character in Harry Potter has more complexity than ALL of the Twilight characters put together.
116. Potter. Puppet. Pals.
117. Many Potter fans grew up along with Harry, Ron and Hermione; therefore creating a connection with them. Twilight will NEVER be able to duplicate.
118. Snakes talk.
119. Harry Potter titles make sense. How did Meyer come up with her titles? Did she pull them out of her butt?
120. Four words: A. Very. Potter. Musical.
121. And Fred’s eyes stared without seeing, the ghost of his last smile still etched upon his face. HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE YOU CRY? ?
122. There is no comic relief in Twilight.
123. Harry Potter has the support of My Life is Average. Twilight had to create its own website to get any recognition.
124. Twilight is Stephenie Meyer’s sexual fantasy. JKR came up with Harry Potter.
125. Harry Potter has never ruined friendships. (Edward vs. Jacob)
126. AVPM Draco.
127. Bella blatantly disregards her father’s rules by letting Edward into her room at night. Harry Potter instills better family values than Twilight.
128. Charlie is the STUPIDEST cop in the entire world I mean, he’s sleeping in the next room and he doesn’t hear them talking? ? And, Edward is in Bella’s CLOSET when he comes in. Epic fail, dude.
129. If the assumption that Bella and Edward are like Romeo and Juliet, they would have had to die. James and Lily died to protect their son.
130. People remain loyal to each other in HP. Jacob left his family for a person who didn’t love him. Alice left her family without telling them just to follow a hunch.
131. Meyer gave away the ENTIRE plot of the book by putting the quote on the back of the book. Really, all you need to do is read the back and that’s all you need to know about Twilight.
132.Ginny understood that Harry needed to fight Voldemort, and accepted it. Bella made a fuss and didn’t let Edward protect the town against a swarm of vampires.
133. No one dies in Twilight.
134. Appeals to kids and adults.
135. Meyer’s werewolves are wimps. Fenrir Greyback? He is completely badass.
136. Stephen King has never told JKR that she cannot write.
137. Robert Pattinson plays a better character in HP than Twilight (he has admitted that he, too, does not like Edward).
138. He was Cedric first
139. Bella gets everything she wants. Harry and his friends must make sacrifices.
140. Draco Malfoy vs. Lauren. Who do YOU think would win?
141. There are no annoying love triangles.
142. JKR EXPLAINS everything. Why Snape hated Harry but saved his life whenever he was in trouble. Why Ludo Bagman kept helping Harry. Why Draco turned out to be so insecure… It isn’t like that in Twilight. Some things are explained and some things are not. Connect the pieces; please… it makes a story better.
143. Rowling fights. Meyer talks it out. 50 points to Rowling
144. Besides her clinginess, Bella does not resemble a real life teenager.
145. Even the secondary characters are endearing.
146. The characters have more colorful names, i.e. Luna Lovegood, Albus Dumbledore, and Viktor Krum vs. Mike, Angela, and Jessica.
147. Bella, after having NO experience in relationships, decides that the first handsome boy she meets is her soul mate. Harry, after a brief period with Cho Chang, falls for his best friend’s sister, who also happens to be his friend as well.
148. The Cullens are idolized and envied, whereas Harry, Ron and Hermione have many friends, but they also have a lot of enemies. What’s life without conflict?
149. Hermione is always shown studying or reading and getting top marks in all her classes. Bella somehow manages to pass all of her classes without doing any homework. Which sets a better example for girls? Hmmm. . . .Yeah. THAT’S a hard question.
150. When Bella got Edward back, she forgave him for lying to her and making her fall into depression. When Ron came back in DH, Hermione beat the crap out of him for walking out on her. Go Hermione
151. Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry vs. Forks High School. PWN
152. Edward can’t read Bella’s thoughts because she doesn’t have any At least JKR’s characters have a brain of their own
153. Twilight teaches kids that abusiveness is selflessness.”
154. Meyers attempt at creepy characters was an epic fail.
155. The old people in Harry Potter actually look old.
156. The girls in HP can actually beat up/protect their boyfriends
157. Harry is not afraid to face the dark side.
158. Twitards claim that Twilight is better because it is an “Epic Love Story.” Yeah, right
159. Adjectives
160. Battles
161. Hermione is a badass. Bella is worthless.
162. In Harry Potter there aren’t as many unintentional “LOL” moments.
163. The fans.
164. Most of our actors are actually hot. The only people who are “good looking” in Twilight is Carlisle and Jacob.
165. It look’s like Edward made a peace treaty with his face
166. There’s this thing, we call it a plot. Harry Potter has one, Twilight does not.
167. There are many twists and turns that capture your interest and keep you guessing. Twilight, on the other hand, is utterly boring and predictable.
168. Even though they’re wizards, the characters are easy to relate to. They have actual flaws and problems. It is really hard to relate to a character that is absolutely perfect aside from his one flaw of being a blood-thirsty, abusive, sparkling vampire.
169. JKR isn’t being sued for plagiarism.
170. It has depth and layers. In short, people don’t just read it for the hot guys.
171. Small details that don’t seem important at the beginning of the series become important at the end of the series.
172. Most of the plot holes (or the major ones any way) were tied up by the end of the seventh book.
173. The Characters in Harry Potter are, smart, funny, dumb, awkward, ridiculous, anxious. They’re realistic. JKR never passes off the thought to give her characters flaws. Because all people have flaws Even sparkly vampires Even if they are perfect.
174. JKR doesn’t contradict/break every rule she made.
175. The books were actually thought out from the very beginning, so everything tied together neatly.
176. Consistency is key in a series of books.
177. You can actually learn something worth-while from Harry Potter. I can’t say I really learned any important life lessons from Twilight. Not honestly, anyway.
178. Because books should allow you to use your imagination to fill in the blanks, rather than describe everything to you every five pages.
179. Meyer thinks her readers are too dumb to understand what’s in the book and has to explain everything thoroughly, over and over again. J.K Rowling allows the readers to think for themselves so that they can actually learn.
180. Because when J.K Rowling uses big words, she uses them right, and in the proper context.
181. In order to write any fantasy stories, research is needed.
182. Because J.K Rowling created a whole new world for the readers to get lost in, rather than throwing magical creatures into the real world.
183. J.K Rowling included many magical creatures in her story that are far more realistic than a sparkling vampire.
184. Not all of the villians were defeated in seconds, like they are in Twilight.
185. Harry has actual problems. Tons of them. But does he spend 300 pages Stephenie Meyer and moaning about them? No He actaully does something to try and solve them.
186. Because when Harry and Ginny broke up, neither of them attempted suicide.
187. Because you can read the books over and over again, and pick up things you missed. I don’t need to read Twilight again, it was so repetitive, I doubt I missed anything.
188. Because I find a boy wizard with a lignthning bolt scar on his forehead brandishing a stick to be much more believable than a vampire that sparkles in the sunlight.
189. When J.K Rowling adds a mythical creature into her books that are supposed to be scary, SHE ACTUALLY MAKES THEM SCARY. Stephenie Meyer makes vampires look like fluffy little bunny rabbits.
190. If J.K Rowling wrote that baboons were secretly wizards in hiding, I would believe it.
191. J.K Rowling can actually write a story that draws readers in, rather than put them to sleep.
192. Because JKR actually has an editer.
193. When JKR writes a character’s back story, it actually has somethought put into it and gives you a better understanding of the character. She will bring it up multiple times and add to it, rather than just mention it once and leave it. Example: MOST of HBP is dedicated to Voldemort’s back story.
194. JKR will not insult fantasy writers by completely twisting the myths. She will take what has been written previously, add to it, maybe twist it a little but keep the same general idea.
195. Because Meyer brings a whole new meaning to the phrase rules are meant to be broken . And not in a good way.
196. Because, though the series started out as a kids book, J.K Rowling realised that her readers weren’t eight years old anymore, and she adapted the books so that they grew with the readers.
197. Because there is actually character development in the series. By the end of Breaking Dawn, the characters were still as annoying as they were at the beginning of Twilight.
198. J.K Rowling actually put thought into her characters names instead of chosing common names.
199. Renesmee Cullen? Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore laughs in his grave.
200. Harry is modest. When everyone is fawning over him because he’s famous, he wishes they would stop. He’s never looking for better friends than Ron and Hermione, he’s prfectly happy with them. Bella on the other hand is only happy if the Cullens will except her as a friend and will completely ignore anyone else.
201. Because when Harry broke up with Cho, we didn’t get six blank pages of nothing while he broods about it.
202. Because when Harry hates someone, he actually has a reason for it and therefore, we can’t help but hate them, too.
203. Because it doesn’t dwell on a persons looks.
204. Because even Dumbledore will admit that he’s not perfect.
205. Because the romance isn’t shoved in your face and obvious.
206. It is subtly complex and allows you to think for yourself.
207. The relathionships were subtly hinted at and grew throughout the series. Example: Ron and Hermione.
208. J.K Rowling will actually take time to write an intriguing summary, rather than copy and paste a snippet that gives the entire plot away.
209. Because it actually has themes that don’t contradict themselves.
210. Because the books started out happier, but then got darker and darker as Voldemort gets more powerful and Harry realises what he’s up against.
211. Because everything ties together and makes sense.
212. The foreshadowing is subtle enough that you won’t guess exactly what’s going to happen, yet
not too subtle that you think nothing is happening.
213. Over ten years later and people are still reading the books.
214. The words aren’t always perfect does not apply in the Harry Potter universe.
215. Even Stephen King thinks J.K Rowling is the better author.
216. Quantity does not always equal quality. The Twilight series could have been ended in one book.
217. JKR assumes that we understand what she is saying and doesn’t find it necassary to describe what Harry looks like every two pages.
218. JKR didn’t realize how big her fandom was until after she’d written the final book, in which she did a google search on Harry Potter and it blew her mind. Meyer admitted that Twilight was only supposed to be one book but continued writing because it was so popular.
219. Because lots of time and effort was put into the books, they were not just pulled out of someone’s Edward in a few months.
220. Harry is noble, heroic and selfless. He is willing to risk his life for people he doesn’t know or doesn’t like. Example: Draco Malfoy in the Room of Requirement. He’s a hero we can all be proud of.
221. The main female character, Hermione, is not weak, she does not rely on a man to help her and she doesn’t complain about everything that happens. She is smart, brave, loyal and spends half the series bailing Harry and Ron out of trouble.
222. Even for all of her good traits, Hermione has her flaws. She has a fiery temper and it often gets the better of her (her many fights with Ron). And she has messed up before (she failed the practical Defense exam in third year, and allowed a Death Eater to grab ahold of her while apparating in Deathly Hallows). But even with her flaws, she is a girl we can be proud of. Bella is not.
223. When J.K Rowling uses a plot device, she uses something believable and affects the plot substantially. SMeyer uses plot devices that destroy her own canon *cough*Renesmee*cough*.
224. Because the jokes in Harry Potter aren’t completely made up of sexual innuendos like they are in Twilight.
225. Because you can create a deep, personal connection with the characters in Harry Potter. Personally, I’ve formed better connections with rocks than I have with any of the Twilight characters.
226. The love that Lily had for Harry was touching and powerful. She gave up her life to save him, rather than because he died/didn’t love her. Edward and Bella’s love pales dramatically in comparison to this kind of love.
227. Because, rather than spending 100 pages describing what someone looks like, J.K Rowling actually works on creating a personality for her characters.
228. J.K Rowling isn’t afraid of killing off main characters - even if she did cry whilst writing it.
229. Harry is kind to even the smallest of magically creatures. When Dobby died, he dug the grave by hand instead of with magic as a tribute to the hardwork that Dobby devoted his life to doing. Edward Cullen looks down on humans because they aren’t the perfect sparkly bits of fluff that he is.
230. Harry is infinintly loyal to all of his friends, even if they aren’t popular. Example: In the sixth book on the train ride to Hogwarts Romilda Vane comes and invites Harry to join her and her friends in their compartment saying that he doesn’t have to sit with Neville and Luna. He refuses saying, they’re my friends. Bella left her human friends for the Cullens at first chance.
231. Harry actually had to work to succeed. Bella got everything she wanted handed to her on a silver platter. She didn’t have to work for anything. This gives a bad example to people everywhere.
232. Because the characters in Harry Potter have at least some sort of affect towards the plot. They aren’t just there for the sake of being there.
233. Because J.K Rowling doesn’t try to explain things away with science. And fail at it.
234. Because, rather than making everyone perfect , there is a variation in the characters’ looks. Not everyone is ZOMG SOO HAWT . There are the cutie pies, like Dean Thomas, and Neville, who’s cute in that awkward, dorky way. It makes the characters seem more real.
235. Because the characters in Harry Potter are willing to die for eachother, and some have. The Final Battle is proof that many of the students at Hogwarts would die to save Harry. The Cullens probably wouldn’t do the same thing, not that they were ever put in a situation that called for them to.
236. JKR follows the rules of show don’t tell .
237. No thesaurus’ were harmed in the making of Harry Potter.
238. To the best of my knowledge, Harry Potter has not ruined some of people’s favourite things. Example: music. A lot of people’s favourite bands have been destroyed because they were mentioned/had a song on the soundtrack and the Twitards have made it overly popular because of this.
239. It’s a story that I would actually want to read to my kids as a bedtime story. I wouldn’t let my kids near Twilight if they were still at the age in which I had to read to them so they could fall asleep. Especially not Breaking Dawn.
240. I don’t think anyone has ever made alternate titles to the anything in the Harry Potter books. Example: Breaking Fail, The Demon Spawn, Renespawn. And many, many more.
241. Because The Harry Potter books actually have enough content for a full length movie.
242. While fantasy stories are supposed to be impossible in comparison to real life, Twilight takes impossible to a whole new level.
243. Harry Potter shows that immortality isn’t everything. Twilight shows that if you aren’t immortal, you aren’t worth carp.
244. Because no one in Harry Potter ever complained about shitty wheater. Even if it meant that the Dementors were breeding.
245. Because Dobby the House-Elf would make a better boyfriend than Edward Cullen. He listens to you, is loyal and brave, and would do anything to help you.
246. Because J.K Rowling creates actually conflict in the series that aren’t solved as easily as snapping your fingers.
247. Because if when J.K Rowling has a battle scene at the end of a book, dammit it will have climax. -Is totally NOT referring to that epic fail of a fight scene at the end of Breaking Dawn-
248. After reading the final Harry Potter book, you are not left with more questions than answers.
249. J.K Rowling can find a less cliche way of ending a series than, and we walked into our perfect piece of forever or whatever SMeyer wrote.
250. A hobby. Bella needs to get one. Harry and Ron have Quidditch, Hermione reads and studies. All Bella does is obsess over Edward, which makes for a very boring book.
251. Twilight is drawn out way too far. J.K Rowling provd that some young adult books should be over 700 pages long. Stephenie Meyer proved that some shouldn’t be.
252. Because the hard work and dedication that J.K Rowling put into the series was evident. That Twilight lacked these two factors, was evident.
253. If J.K Rowling wrote a fight scene in which one character kills another, the person who’s point of view we’re reading in would not black out leaving us utterly clueless as to what’s going on.
254. Harry Potter would not try to pass of stalking, pedophilia, and abuse as true love .
255. Because rebelling against The Dark Lord and his Death Eaters as he rises to power makes for a better plot than anything SMeyer could possibly write.
256. Even the bad guys are kind of likeable, because they have depth and layers that you will never find in Twilight’s characters. They’re interesting.
257. It keeps you guessing. Example: Snape. No one but J.K really knew where his loyalties truly lied until one of the very last chapters of the last book.
258. Because if J.K Rowling gives a character a weird name, the names meaning reflects the character, instead of being stupid.
259. Harry Potter has a complex plot with many twists and turns. Twilight is bland.
260. Harry Potter may be repetive with the main plot. But that’s what makes it consistant. It also has many sub-plots that vary book-to-book.
261. Many people say that the Cullens are great because they are hot and rich. You know what I have to say to this? The Weasleys’. They may not be rich or well dressed. Yeah, they’re clothes and books are second hand. But they have love. And really, what more could you want? Mrs. Weasley actually killed Bellatrix for trying to kill Ginny. They are kind, loving and treat everyone as another member of the family. The Weasleys’ totally pwn the Cullens.
262. In the first Twilight book alone there are over 160 reference to Edwards so called angelic beauty. Were hit in the head with the same word so many times its exhausting. I can just imagine the things that run through Meyers head.
263. In the first Harry Potter book Alone the obsticales at the the end are more interesting then the enter twilight series alone All twilight is good for is talking, talking and more talking. Why not just call up a new episode of Dr.Phil???
264. Books should allow you to use your imagination. Not describe the wind in the trees or what Bella is having for breakfast and lunch and dinner that day.
265. The girls in HP can actually hold their own in a fight.
266. Because I find a boy-wizard with a lightning bolt scar on his forehead, brandishing a wand to be much more believable and frightening than a vampire that sparkles in the sunlight.
267. Because Twilight is just a pre-teen porn story with no character devolvement.
268. When Rowling gives weird names, they reflect the character. Ex: Sirius means Giant Dog.” Sound familiar? And what does Edward mean?? Sparkly Vampire?
269. Many people say that the Cullens are great because they are hot and rich. You know what I have to say to this? The Weasleys may not be rich or well dressed. Yeah, they’re clothes and books are second hand. But they have love. And really, what more could you want? Mrs. Weasley actually killed Bellatrix for trying to kill Ginny. They are kind, loving and treat everyone as another member of the family. The Weasleys’ totally pwn the Cullens.
270. At least it wasn’t written by a sexy-wannabe writer stay-at-home mom
271. The plot plays to intelligence, not hormones.272. HP has a story that it not entirely cliche and trashy.
273. HP deals with other things APART from telling us how unbelievably perfect some glittering vampire is.
274. It doesn’t use long adjectives to make it seem like good writing.
275. Male characters don’t dominate the females.
276. The fans of Harry Potter can take it if someone doesn’t like HP, Twilight fans can’t.
i totally agree with the 270+ reasons. my simple reasons are this:
1. i read twilight because it was the only decent book in the library in 2007. i’d already read harry potter.
2. harry potter 7 is the only ever book ive preordered to come to me on the day of release because i was so excited.
3. twilight has too many long sentences. meyer just doesnt know when to stop.
4. yes, it could have n should have been concluded in one book. fame seekers eh?
5. i was read harry potter as a bed time story and continued to read until the end.
6. new moon was defo repetative, eclipse was the same n breaking dawn was so crap i havent even bothered to finish reading it.
7. meyer only wants book 4 split into 2 movies cuz she wants to be JKR and she wants money
8. JKR didnt ask us to love HP so much, we just do.
9. people are only comparing the two because twilight is new and popular, yet not so popular to have regular movie behind the scenes programs in the uk, milions of websites, questions about it on gameshows, milions of fanfics.
10. twilight is has not topped the box office like HP or topped james bond in DVD sales etc.
11. also, a big goodbye to HP at the movie awards. i will we having a party when twilight is over
12. im currently in the process of re-reading all 7 books before november and leaving the twilight books to dust in the shelf.
13. HP and the actors will be remembered forever and will help them to get more acting jobs - unlike the people in that other movie
14. characters believeable, relateable.
15. ive written to JKR. would not even pick up a pen for meyer if not only to insult her
16. 1st twilight movie was a huge flop. when i bought the dvd for £3 i realised it was worth the money - even less. glad i dont have it anymore
17. actors wont cry when twilight is over - poor dan
18. oh please, twilight was only the most anticipated movie of the summer because harry potter is out in winter
19. the only time i was literaaly pushed to the ground outside the cinema was because the HBP was released. im not looking forward to waiting outside the cinema for the DH
20. people who like HP more than twilight have actually read it and have valid reasons. people who hate HP and love twilight, most havent read HP and are just ignorant
I sure can appreciate your enthusiasm for HP. But I, and no doubt the TorchOnline editors, and many TorchOnline followers, and for that matter Albus Percival Wulfric Brian Dumbledore, don’t appreciate your homobigotry in #1. Not to mention the slam against stay-at-home moms (#270).
The poll result equals Twilight Fail.
I say HP with no doubt in my mind. Oh, by the way - “the great huge Breaking Dawn (did i mention HUGE)” is NOTHING compared to Order of the Phoenix. And if no teen girls thought Jacob was hot, there would be no Twilight fans.
I cried at the end of the book because I was so upset it was over and I am pretty sure Twilight wouldn’t do that to me. Now please don’t get me wrong, I think Jacob Black is sexy but as for as the story, well it could be better and while we are on the topic of twilight, how are they going to make Breaking Dawn when there are like a million sex scenes in it?
As for Twilight, I’m sorry to say that I don’t have an accurate argument for it either way. It’s one of the two books in my life that I started and put aside willingly because I didn’t want to finish. (the other was Johnny Tremain when I was ten, I thought it was too depressing.) I suppose I’ll go try again, just so I can have some argument material.
Twilight? Puh-lease! There is no theme, big or small, in any of the books (except for sappy romance & the existence of vampires showing several symptoms of Alzheimer’s disease). Harry Potter is much, much better in terms of both moral and philosophical themes (i.e. “It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that show who we really are”) and keeping the reader engaged. Stephenie Meyer is drunk with hubris (seriously, she cannot POSSIBLY compare herself with Harper Lee) and is implanting dangerous ideas into the heads of adolescents everywhere. Just as anabolic steroids can permanently damage the body of a growing person, Twilight can permanently damage the mind of such a human being. Turn them into a vampire. (Oh, and Dracula is WAY cooler than any Cullen on the market.)
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Cheers!!!
Aint it the truth, I truley share the same views as the author and could not agree more.
I will say that Twilight was my favorite series at first, but after I read Harry Potter, it all changed.
Harry Potter is the best!!!!
I have to agree with all of the Harry Potter fans out there (I will get to Twilight soon enough). I had only seen the movies and then when the sixth movie came out, I decided to read the books, and I was HOOKED! I love to read, and looking back, I can’t believe that I had never read Harry Potter sooner (although my mom did read them to me when they first came out). Harry Potter is the better series.
Okay, on to Twilight. About a month ago (maybe a little later) my best friend suggested I try reading Twilight. She had almost nothing to say about the series. She pretty much summed up the entire series for me (although I’m reading them and I find them extremely boring, but that’s a whole other story). Her exact words were:
“Twilight- For about the first half of the book you’re thinking ‘okay, this is a pretty good series,’ and then when Edward starts coming into the picture, you’re like, “Gosh, what a load of crap!” and i have to say, that was my reaction exactly
“New Moon- The book has not story whatsoever. All it is is Bella pining away from Edward when he leaves. It’s just what all the fangirls wanted.” Again, my thought exactly when reading the book.
“Eclipse- Pointless. Totally pointless. I have no idea what happened in that book and I read it not too long ago.” I finished reading the book three weeks ago, and I can’t remember a darn thing.
“Breaking Dawn- Totally stupid. Every few pages, Edward and Bella have sex. I mean, Gosh! She’s only eighteen! Oh yeah, and it’s all about Bella whining and getting pregnant!” Well, I started reading the book about a week or two ago, and only got to about to the end of Jacob’s book and I can’t read anymore! It’s totally pointless! I mean, come on! That sort of stuff only happens to the people who have no idea what to do with their lives. Like my Health teacher says, “If you are mentally, emotionally, and physically prepared and have $10,000 in your bank account, go ahead and have a baby.” Now, the Twilight fans are thinking, “But Edward is rich,” and yes, he is.
Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but I do NOT believe in love at first sight, and that’s exactly what happened to Bella with Edward. Now, I’m not saying that you can’t like a person or be attracted to them, because that can happen. But, falling in love the first time you ever see the other person?! bullcrap! Don’t get me wrong, Romeo and Juliet is a great love at first sight story, but Stephenie Meyer makes the whole ‘Love at First Sight’ idea more of a joke than it already is! And, when you get dumped by a boy-/girlfriend, I don’t think you sit there, wishing you were dead (maybe for the first few days, but you eventually get over it and move on), and that’s exactly what happened to Bella. The girl needs to get over herself and Edward. GOSH!!!
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Okay, now I’m going to talk about the characters (Sorry, but this entire post is going to be so long! Sorry!!!)
In Harry Potter, I found the characters so relatable. I could practically feel Hermione’s pain when she was upset about Ron dating Lavendar. I cried when Dumbledore died, and could relate to almost every character in the story. I do have to admit, I totally felt for Malfoy in HBP when he was talking to Myrtle and crying. Those characters actually make you believe that the Wizarding World could really exist. Everything in the story made me lose myself in the book and enjoy the fantasy of “What would my life be like if I was a Wizard?” Twilight, I have to say, just confirmed why I don’t really read too much Sci-Fi and Fantasy, which is, “Vampires and Werewolves are really stupid!”
With Meyer’s characters, everything above was just the opposite. I couldn’t relate to ANY one of the characters. One would think that if the main character was a girl, the girl would be a character girls of any age could look up to. In this case, though, Bella was not a character I would want to be best friends with (I’m speaking figuratively). Stephenie Meyer, I thought, tried to make Bella Swan so much like a normal teenage girl that Bella turned out abnormal. One question I have is, “Why would anyone pine over a guy and comtemplate killing themselves just because that person was gone?” Granted, Edward didn’t die, but I think everyone has lost a loved one. Now, that person is gone forever, NOT for just six months. The person is not coming back. Now, if someone was gone temporarily, would someone actually contemplate killing themselves just because the person was gone for, Oh, say, two weeks? I don’t think so.
Okay, on to Edward. Words fail me. The character was obviously just a fantasy. I don’t know about anyone else, but if a guy walked up to me (by the way, Yes, I am a girl) and said, “You smell pretty. I want to suck your blood” (or something like that), I would scream and walk, no RUN, away.
Jacob Black. First of all, pardon my language, but the kid needs to grow some balls and suck up to the fact that he’s never going to get Bella, no matter how hard he tries! Seriously?! Do we really have to go cry everytime we’re rejected?! Grow a sack! Jeez! If you’re rejected, find someone else, simple as that! Take a few days to recover and then try to find someone better. Crying and pining and telling the girl how much you love her is not going to make her feel any different about you! Come on!
All of the other characters, I just thought had really no depth. Sure, sometimes, one of the other characters would say or do something intelligent, but I didn’t see much of that throughout the entire story.
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Now, I’m not an English Professor or anything, but I did not like the way Meyer writes. The style of writing is that between a Kindergarten or a Second-Grader.
I’ve always wanted to be a writer, but I sure do not want my book to sound like Mrs. Meyers’. I want to publish a book before I graduate from High School (I’m only 15) but since the Seventh-Grade, I’ve been writing the same book. I can tell you that I’ve made many changes more than a few times. I even rewrote the entire story when I decided that the book wasn’t as exciting as I would’ve liked it. Now, I don’t know how much time Stephenie Meyer put into writing those books, but I think she should have put a heck of a lot more time into that series. Maybe (keyword: MAYBE) then, the book could’ve been good, but it was not.
JK Rowling is a writer I look up to, and in my opinion, she is the opposite of Stephenie Meyer. Her writing is amazing and her words capture your attention and make you feel as though you are a part of the story. Whereas, Meyer has you looking from the outside in. When reading the books, I did not feel as though I was a part of the story, but I truly did when I was reading Harry Potter. Rowling makes her characters come to life, whereas Meyer’s are just there. No depth, no soul. Just a thing, not a person anyone could relate to.
Okay, that’s enough ranting for now. Sorry that this is really long, but I had to get my point across. Maybe some other time. See ya
EMZ
Dear Commetators,
Twilight is a great story and I have never read the books but honestly the whole vampire story is a little over used in the fiction world plus stephanie meyer had to use good actors to make her story connect with the rest of the world whereas, Rowling’s casting director did not because Harry Potter is such a good story.. I cried at the end of the book because I was so upset it was over and I am pretty sure Twilight wouldn’t do that to me. Now please don’t get me wrong, I think Jacob Black is sexy but as for as the story, well it could be better and while we are on the topic of twilight, how are they going to make Breaking Dawn when there are like a million sex scenes in it?
Bernie
I love hp!
1. Female characters have brains in HP
11. Twilight stole HP Cedric and made him into an ugly dead, did i mention ugly, vampire.
haha whoever wrote this I love you!!
BTW I read the scholarly article that Stephen King wrote on J.K. and he totally did bash on S.M!! Lovve it!
Dear Commetators,
Twilight is a great story and I have never read the books but honestly the whole vampire story is a lil over used in the fiction world plus stephanie meyer had to use good actors to make her story connect with the rest of the world whereas, Rowling’s casting director did not becuase Harry Potter is such a good story.. I cried at the end of the book b/c I was so upset it was over.. pretty sure Twilight wouldn’t do that to me… don’t get me wrong.. Jacob Black is sexy but as for as the story….. ehhh it could be better and btw how are they going to make Breaking Dawn when there are like a million sex scenes in it?
Bernie
i love hp!
Harry Potter promotes feminism and strength and love that’s more than just hardcore bloodlust. It includes boy-girl love, family love, and friend love. Twilight, if I’m not mistaken, is missing huge components of the last two.
Yes, Bella loves the Cullens and befriends them well. But whatever happened to the normal human friends Bella left in the dust? Do we ever hear what happened to her family? HER family, not Edward’s “adopted family”. Real familial relationships come from both sides.
Besides, she not only hides behind her boyfriend in all the books, she gets married and pregnant as a teenager WITHOUT going to college! WITHOUT being absolutely positive that her future is stable! HELLO. Edward is a man. A 100 year old man, too, who could very easily leave her.
And can you say one word: Pedophile? She’s 18 and he’s 100-something.
All you Twilight fans who are saying crap arguments like “Harry Potter is poop!” need to sit your butts down and pick up some real literature.
And for the record, I’m a 15 year old girl from the United States who just formally kicked Twilight’s ass. Take that, stereotypes. Also for the record, I am not, in any way, what someone from my school would call a nerd, a dork, a geek, a dweeb, or anything of the sort.
Shove that up your butts, Twi-hards.
♥Anna
I’m a little late to post this, but I have a point that I haven’t seen anyone else make. I have read both books and at first, Twilight was ok. I’ll even admit that I liked the first book. But then the next books came out and it was like the series never gained any ground. The entire thing was one big endless, pointless plot about how a girl likes a boy and can’t be with him. Sure, its about love, but Harry Potter is too. But HP is about more than how important it is to have a boyfriend or girlfriend. It’s about sacrificing yourself for someone you love.
HP is re-readable. As I said before, I have read both series. I have read Harry Potter multiple times, countless times. I’m constantly picking up one of them because I want to remember the plot, or because I’m simply bored and its a great series. But to be honest, I have not picked up the Twilight series ever since I set it down, three years ago. Breaking Dawn was absolute trash. I could have written a better book.
Also, I have noticed that the fans of Twilight type like they’re desperately trying to prove that their series is superior, but while they do so, they come across as… somewhat insane. All caps is unneeded, along with the text-talk. Harry Potter fans, however, know how to speak/ type proper English and have enough sense to type their ideas, without appearing to yell. Perhaps this is because we are not hormone driven teenagers and no only have enough sense to spell properly, but to know great literature when we see it?
You want to know reasons twilight is better? Twilight is about vampires, not about stupid little kids who wave around twigs sayin stuff like abra kadabra! Twilight is more mature. It has more romance and has a better plot! Hey and HPrules I am giving reasons and RP is so freakin ugly. And you know what? Stephanie Meyer has used her imagination! Which do you think is real stupid abra kadabra kids or vampires. The only interesting character in HP is severus Snape. Hey rose!guess what Your only jelous because sparkly vampires kick wizard ass! I like harry potter puppet pals on youtube better than the books! SO take Your stupid wand HP fans and shove it up your ASS!!!! Btw twilight is so better than the plotless peice of crap you call Harry Potter!!! So take that broom flyers
First off, I don’t know what book you are reading, because Harry Potter has a plot. Or were you too dense to actually read it? The story line is about a child whose parents were killed, but he lived because his mother sacrificed herself to save him. The child discovers he is a wizard and is suddenly thrust into a noisy, colorful, incredible world full of wizards, goblins, death eaters, dragons, centaurs, house elves, and tons of other creatures. He then realizes that an evil man, one bent on destroying all muggles and muggleborns and creating a pureblood race, is out to kill him. He spends years trying to become powerful to defeat this wizard and impede his powerful return. But he fails. Lord Voldemort rises to power and begins to wreak havoc once again. In the end, Harry has to destroy Voldemort or the entire world will go to hell. So, yes, there is in fact a plot. You may want to make sure you didn’t mistake Twilight for Harry Potter, because Twilight is the one without a real plot.
I’ve read both books, so I too know what I am talking about. Twilight is basically about a girl who wants a boyfriend, but can’t have him because he might eat her.
But, I do agree with you that Severus Snape was a total badass.
Also, you may want to develop a sense of grammar and punctuation, whenever you aren’t too preoccupied hugging a piece of awful literature and crushing on a 104 year old, virgin pedophile, who may have his girlfriend as an afternoon snack, as your posts are very difficult to read.
You are a stupid girl! Harry Potter is better than Twilight! Twilight isn’t more mature! The story about Twilight: A stupid and mary-sue girl that loves a vampire (a gay vampire) ¬¬ SORRY, DEAR! EDWARD ISN’T A VAMPIRE! MEYER IS A STUPID WRITER THAT THING “I WRITE A STORY ABOUT VAMPIRES” BUT IT ISN’T THE TRUE, DRACULA IS A VAMPIRE, HE IS A “REAL” VAMPIRE! Edward is a guy that shine O.O Really, this is ridiculus! HP is about wizards! J.K. Rowling wrote a story about wizards and HP isn’t about stupid little kids! How old are you? Harry had in the first book 11, but in the 7º he grow up! HP is more intelligent than Twilight! Twilight is from retarded teens that dream with her vampire-prince! VOCÊ SÓ PODE SER LESADA! And the “kids” of HP don’t say only abra kadabra, HP is original! And Bella only says “Edwardd! Oh, I love him! I’m a stupid girl in love with a vampire!
You don’t think that Meyer only thinks in money! He didn’t do a good story, she’s only trying still the money of the father of the ridiculous teens… And, I know this because I read all the books of Twilight and the story was terrible… Only the first is a good romance, the rest was a ridiculous continuation… And she wrote one more book about “vampires”.
PRA VOCÊ SÓ VOU FALAR ALGO: ANTES DE FALAR BESTEIRA PENSE! Ah, me lembrei, você não pensa!
why is it all you can do is insult wizards n say i love twilight. blah blah blah. where is the real evidence? we’re here writing essays n u write 1 paragraph. iv never said twilight was crap. just face it. ur argument is pathetic. this debate needs to go on tv or something
that comment was to twilightforever
My point exactly! It’s not a vampire movie, it’s really not- if anyone who likes Twilight because it’s about vampires would have a real shock if they saw a PROPER vampire movie.
I’m only 12 and have read both series so I’m not being biased when I say: Harry Potter. When I was first in 2nd grade I wanted to read the Sorcerer’s Stone and got to page 7, put the book down and said, “I’ll never read this book again”. Then when I was in 4th grade I wanted to try again and I am usually a very distracted child but that weekend I read the 1st book nonstop and I was sucked in! It was brilliant! In Harry Potter everything comes alive and you begin to forget everything that goes on around you. I read all the books in 1 month and hey thats not that bad when I was in fourth grade.
I just finished reading all the twilight books and it had a WEAK PLOT! It kind of seems like Meyer has a bunch of small words and then adds a big word to make her writing seem “exquisite”. Basically Twilight ia just some crappy love story with some sparkly boys and girls and werewolves. The characters in Twilight are UNRELATABLE. Like they make Edward seem so perfect I mean come on! Everybody has flaws and it only seems like Bella loves him because he’s gorgeous. You don’t love a person just for there looks but personality and I saw little to practically none in the series.
Even though in HP they are wizards I find them completely relatable. Like Luna Lovegood I am always considered that wierd girl in class and I don’t know why but my eyes look in different directions A LOT. The pressure of studying for there OWL’s. The grief of Sirius and Dumbledore dying! For those Twilight fans I ask you this and only this: Give me REAL reasons why you think Twilight is better than HP. Not something like: Jacob is hot or Twilight is more “mATURE”.
I have read Twilight. All of them. And yes, the whole romance IDEA was okay, but the book…. not so much. The sparkly vampire who watches a girl when she sleeps, pressures her to marry him, and then gets her pregnant. Then, because of that, he makes her immortal. Sorry, but that kinda creeps me out, not to mention it seems pretty wrong all around.
Now, let me counter with Harry Potter. Harry Potter is not perfect, like Ms. Meyer represents Edward as. Harry loses his temper, and makes bad desicions sometimes because he is blinded by anger. A character that shows that depth is, in my opinion, better than one that is fairly flat. Plus, on the whole immortality aspect, Bella wants to be immortal, so she can live forever with her love. In Deathly Hallows, Harry cares enough to die to protect people he loves, and because of that love, survives to conquer evil. I think that is a much better message than never let go.
Also, Twilighters, I really would like to see some actual arguments for Twilight. I haven’t seen anything more than “Robert Pattinson is hot!”, which is a little silly, considering he was in a Harry Potter movie first. Are there any pro-Twilighters out there who have read Harry Potter? Please, I really, truly want to hear your reasoning.
First thank you for not trashin us twilighters. You want to know reasons twilight is better? Twilight is about vampires, not about kids sayin stuff like abra kadabra. Twilight is more mature. It has more romance and has a better plot! Hey and HPrules I am giving reasons and RP is so freakin ugly. And you know what? Stephanie Meyer has used her imagination! Im only 11. But i still know alot. I read all of the HP series. It was OK. But this fight should end they are both even. Do you want to let this fight trash our relationships with other people? IF anyone dares to disagree reply to this. I do not like the actors in twilight(exept taylor lautner) But the thing is Bella in Breaking Dawn is Willing to risk her life for her daughter. And the whole fight is about her daughter. Bella is a really good character deep inside. Jacob leaves his pack to save bella. SM really knows how to write. And i cried when edward left Bella in new moon. SM can stir up good emotions
There you go, you’re 11. The age range for HP is much greater than that of Twilight. And it’s not a vampire movie at all, likewise HP isn’t about “abra kadabra”. It isn’t more mature, Bella is naive and ridiculous. It has no plot apart from the fact that Bella and Edward want each other- that’s about it. The willing to risk a life thing applies on multiple occasions in HP, and it is much more thought out than Twilight. SM isn’t a very good writer, I got bored very quickly. There will be loads of little girls that cry, and their emotions will stir- you’re right, probably because you’re just starting puberty! It’s just a little love story. SM is clever because she has picked her target audience and wrote for them only. JKR wrote for a whole range of people and successfully did so :)
To be honest, the “Twihards” comments are so ridiculous I don’t think it’s worth bothering to try and reason with them (twilightlover, demonstrates that the Potter fans carefully though out comments aren’t being read). To equal a debate both sides need to have a strong argument, and seeing as the “Twihards” seem incapable of forming one, HP has already won (although it would have done that anyway).
Greetings People of the General Populace–
I did not enjoy the Twilight series when I read it, and found many plot weaknesses, loopholes and inconsistancies. The Cullens didn’t think reasonably-their plans were often overly difficult and ridiculous, Bella was a whining, weak main character who couldn’t stand on her own, and Edward was downright strange-it is not sweet to watch somebody while they sleep. It is a betrayal of trust.
Harry Potter, on the other hand, is a much stronger series. It has its weaknesses but overall it is much stronger, creative, and questioning of the world. The main characters are cocerned about more than themselves or their love interest. There is a battle of good and evil, what is right and what is wrong, and choosing what is right over power and conquest.
Twilight Fans- I would have much more respect for you and your arguments if you did not simply shout ‘TWILIGHT IS BETTER HP IS POOOOPPP’ etc in all caps, but instead gave a reasonalbe argument. Shouting does not make you right, nor does simply repeating your sentiment. If you give valid reasons WHY Twilight is better I will be happy to listen to them. Until then, I will hold my view.
harry potter beats twilight by far, i found twilight borin but i love all of the harry potter movies GO HARRY POTTER!!!
It’s pretty obvious Harry Potter is just way better than Twilight. In fact, Twilight shouldn’t even be compared to Harry Potter. Period.
Meyer doesn’t let the good guys die or get burned(in Twilight’s case) whereas in Harry Potter, the characters die and for a reason.
In Twilight, the Cullens have to do so much just to protect Bella, a depressed loner who had no life before Edward.Come to think of it, she still doesn’t due to the fact she is with Edward now.
The characters in Harry Potter are just so deep, you feel emotions when things happen.
Most Twilight fans just love the actors.
Most didn’t even knew the book existed before the movie came out.
Wait, I said Twilight shouldn’t be compared to Harry Potter Why am I comparing them?
Oh right, I want to make a great difference in the world when the justice stooped so low because of Twilight. And knock some sense into dumb Twilight lovers.
So if I wasn’t clear at all, Harry Potter obviously wins this debate because it’s epic,well-thought, and DEEP. Screw you Twilight.
Hey,
we will never tell which one is better because its all a matter of opinion. Personaly I think Twilight, New Moon, Eclipse and Breaking Dawn are better. But I have read both books and think both are outstanding.
Twilight has one kind of love. They love each other so much that it hurts when they are apart and they try to kill themselves if they think the other is dead. its disgusting. twilight is sending a bad mesage, getting married and pregnant just out of high school? Bella is pathetic and cant do anything for herself. she always has to have edward come save her. Harry Potter reaches people of all ages, not just teenage girls. and to those people who say Harry Potter is too confusing: its not, you’re just stupid and dont know a good plot when you see one.
The problem isn’t getting married & having a child out of high school. People used to do it all the time; just because it’s not as common nowadays doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with it though.
But everything else you said about Twilight was spot on.
*CONTAINS SPOILERS*
Ok you are very wrong with your statement
1. Twilight has different kinds of love
Bella loves Edward as a husband
She loves Jacob as a friend
She loves Renesmee, Carlisle, Esme, Renee, Charlie, Emmett, Rosalie, Jasper and Alice as family.
2. Twilight is not sending a bad message. Its a story ok if people want to marrt straight off and have kids thats their choice.
3. If you have read breaking dawn you will know that in the end Bella saves everyone proving she can do stuff for herslef.
4. It is not just for teen girls cos my mum read it so did my auntie and lots of other adults.
5. Twilight has a good plot too.
What she meant by Twilight reaches out to teenage girls is:It relates to teenage girls. Guys won’t feel that way neither would kids. Your mum and aunty WERE teenage girls. But, no one can relate to it as nobody has a sparkly vampire for a boyfriend. At least in Harry Potter, the characters are human.
I read the entire twilgiht saga before i read harry potter and i think that harry potter is way better. There is just more to harry potter than there is Twilgiht and the plot is better. Twilight was predictable and boring. But, they are two different books so you can’t really compare them. It just depends on what genre you like best.
Hey! You know I love to read so it is just natural that I love Harry Potter and Twilight. See I think ‘Harry Potter is way better, nothing can beat it’ well here comes Twilight! Still I thought Harry Potter is way better!
To clarify, Twihards, there is a difference between entertainment and actual class. Comparing Twilight to HP is like comparing the Black Eyed Peas to Symphony number 9 by Beethoven. Both are entertainment, but the latter has some serious class. Hence, HP wins, not because of the fans, but because of the characters, the plot line, the message etc.
ok, just to make a quick statement edward is sooon gayyy, have u noticed he has a pot belly and bella always looks high (no offense to anybody) and harry potter is wayyy more detailed it was thrilling to read the books!! iand jk rowling organized the events in them… clearly everything in harry potter i written bbettter… and not too much sure twilight is about romance but nobody realy dies except for that bad vamp. and in harry potter ther is action anmd romance!!
Okay so i’m going to put this out there first, i believe that Harry Potter is the better series and here’s why. Also I have read both series and enjoyed them along with many other books and series.
1. The plot line is better and more in depth. Now some people have been accussing Twilight of having no plot and while i agree that its’ plot happens to be overly simplistic and at some points borring it does still have some type of plot, but HP’s plot just happens to be more thought out and in depth.
2. The characterization of Harry Potter is more realalistic. J.K Rowlings definitely spent some time developing her characters and making sure that they evolved the way you would expect an actual person to evolve. She is able to take not only the main characters but also the side characters and turn them into round characters. Unfortantly for Twilight not only are the side characters flat and one dimensional but so are her main characters Edward, Bella, and Jakob.
3. The actually writing of the Harry Potter books are much better than the Twilight series. Twilight doesn’t have any double meanings in it or any critical thought needed to understand it. It’s very flat and very obvious in what is being said. Where Harry Potter has metaphores and similies throughout the book creating a more indepth meaning to the series.
Now i’m not saying the Harry Potter series is without flaw, the series is not perfect and people who take either Harry Potter or Twilight and hold it up to the light and say either one are the best books every written are insulting many accomplished writers. Also i feel it needs to be said that J.K. Rowlings was not the first person to write a series like Harry Potter with backround knowledge played in and she most certainly is not the first person to create a sophisticated, advanced world within her novel. Travel back a few years people and read The Lord of the Rings series, that series has its own language to go with it or how about the Chronicles or Narnia.
Another thing i feel is important is that people need to place books in a catagorie. I would consider the Twilight series a souly entertainment series. There is honestly no educational material in it, it’s not trying to teach anyone anything. Now something like Pride and Prejudice, is a novel to teach and influence. Twilight and Pride and Prejudice, while both love stories, are completely different. Also anyone who is so influenced by a book that they end up changing themselves are kinda sad my oppinion. People should not base themselves on music, books, and TV and anyone who trys to blame who they are on any of those things is a spineless coward that needs to grow a set and man up to who they are. So people need to stop claiming that books are bad influences because of the characters. Let me stress this… the characters are fictional. Please for the sake of the future base your life on reality if you need a role model pick someone who actually exists in our world. Sorry for my ranting but i felt that needed to be said. So of this rant simply comes from me noticesing things people are saying. Also if anyone wants a really good book to read try Hannah Greens I Never Promised you a Rose Garden. It came out before the song so no she didn’t steal the title, but it is an awsome book.
Nicole
I’ve gotta say that I’m a Harry Potter fan.
I agree with all the Harry Potter fans before me with beautiful arguments, don’t want to make you reread the same stuff, but about the incredible characters and story and their development over the years, and the range of emotions it inspires, I agree wholeheartedly.
I’ve been hooked since I picked up the first book at eight years old, and, at sixteen, I STILL love it. It’s lasted through MY teenage development, and even my fifty year old dad loves it.
As for Twilight, I’m sorry to say that I don’t have an accurate argument for it either way. It’s one of the two books in my life that I started and put aside willingly because I didn’t want to finish. (the other was Johnny Tremain when I was ten, I thought it was too depressing.) I suppose I’ll go try again, just so I can have some argument material.
But what I’ve read of it and what I’ve heard, I don’t think it stands up to Harry Potter as well at all.
Also, Robert Pattinson really needs to wash his hair. Somebody make him do it.
I have read both Harry Potter & Twilight series more than 10 times already. There is no contest. JKR is an absolute genius and, sorry to say, SM is a bit along Harlequin Mills & Boons type. Twilight is catchy because of the lovey-dovey theme and a way overboard Edward character. HP on the other hand is way, way very well pieced together. No superlative word can even describe the creative genius of JK Rowling. Sometimes i think SM borrowed some ideas from HP. Like Sirius “Black” the wolf animagus (the quileutes are not really werewolves like Remus Lupin but shape-shifters). Like the existence of an authority figure like the Ministry of Magic and the Volturri. The Clearwaters too. Actually so many little things. I’ll read them over again so i can enumerate.
Twilight is clearly better. Its true romance through and through. And the twilight characters are at least talented. I do like the Harry Potters and I’ve read both series umpteen times. But my opinion is twilight series is best. (BTW I’m a sucker for romance) Twilight is deep and emotional and gives you insight into peoples thoughts. You laugh, with the characters, cry with them and hold your breath when somethings about to happen. In Harry Potter there is no emotion or anything like that.
Yes I am a Twilight Girl.
And PS: I’m Team Jacob
Wait. Did you say that Twilight is DEEP?!?! Twilight (and the rest of the series) were the most shallow books I had ever read in my life (and I read A LOT). There is a difference between lust and love. Bella was flat and boring. The only thing she ever thought about was Edward. Ok. Yeah. Really deep. Give me a break.
You Harry Potter people are soooooooooooooooooooo stupid no offense k. But really i agree theat people like twilight cuz Taylor Lautner and Robert Pattinson (personally i like Taylor :D) ya but they have read the books too! so they are just saying that in addidtion honestly i’m not lying but i fell asleep reading Harry Potter after the first page! i didn’t think that was possable! anyway i like Twilight because it is the pefect mix of love, action, mystery, and of course supernatural! i plan on reading the Harry books cuz well my mom forced me but like twihearts say:
1.) Insult twilight and i’ll LaPUSH u off a cliff
2.) I run with werewolves
3.)take the cover off Breaking Dawn and it becomes my bible :)
Well on the first book you have to at least read the first 80 pages then after that it’s noting but AWSOMENESS!!!!
~Leah Wolf
Leah,huh.
Look at what Twilight did to your english. Or maybe it already sucked. You fell asleep after reading the first page of Harry Potter? Your imagination is that tiny, huh.Your mum must be so embarrassed to have you as a child.
Harry Potter is better because of these reasons:
1. Female characters have brains in HP
2. Better written
3. Has a plot
4. It isnt about an obbsesion with a sparkely dead man
5. 50 years from now Harry Potter will be remembered, while Twilight will be forgotten
6. WAAAY better graphics in the movie
7. There isnt always a happy ending in HP, which keeps it real
8. “The real difference is that JK Rowling is a terrific writer and Stephenie Meyer can’t write worth a darn. She’s not very good.” -Stephen King
9. Harry Potter keeps it real
10. The fans dont dump boyfriends because they arent like Harry Potter (Edward Cullen)
11. Twilight stole HP Cedric and made him into an ugly dead, did i mention ugly, vampire.
Reasons Twilight is better:
1. ARE YOU CRAZY!?!?! TWILIGHT SUCKS!
You Meany! i respect both books! i like twilight more but i’m not totally dissing u haryy potterfans! thats hurtful! espesially to Stephanie Meyer! she isn’t in this debate! and honestly i have to agree that i hate the first book in the twilight sieries “Twilight” and the movie for “Twilight’. my fav is “New Moon” and i have to say they got the wolf shipshapers down good. and u say harry whats-his-name keeps it real have you at least READ ALL of the books? Read New Moon and Eclipse And the great huge Breaking Dawn (did i mention HUGE) and on twilight you have to at least read past the first 80 pages.